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TV Guide's Worst in Soaps 2008; Includes Passages
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Topic Started: Dec 30 2008, 10:20 PM (2,461 Views)
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OneBadKitty
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Dec 31 2008, 01:08 AM
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I took writing classes in college in hopes of someday being a writer and I would never support what he did, even if he was still with the show. I don't care how bad the writer is viewed. To me, it feels like a persona violation. It's one thing to tweak things but another thing to totally gut material. I would be very upset if he were to stay. I would still praise his work but I wouldn't be happy with the decision of his staying. Ed did wonderful work. It's a shame what happened tarnished that.
I am a writer also, having studied the art and gone to many a classes. And I am purely speculating, but one thing a writer should ALWAYS be open to is having his/her work evaluated. I am pretty damn sure Ed Scott told her, "This is too campy" or "We should probably do this." Instead of Dena being more OPEN to Ed's ideas or anyone else's ideas, she pushes herself and her EGO onto others, at the expense of her art. Any writer worth their weight in gold will at least LISTEN to what their peers are telling them. No man is an island. Even the greats, like Henry Slesar, Harding Lemay, Bill Bell, Agnes Nixon, and Doug Marland, had to take criticism and heat from their producers. They didn't cry about it to the press or write in their diaries about "how no one listens to me." They took a much more proactive approach and used some of the producers and viewers criticisms. And I don't care about whether or not we know its true that Dena wasn't receptive to Scott's ideas or suggestions. I KNOW it's true. You can see it on every bit of material she writes that she and she alone goes unchecked by other members of the writing team or the executive producer. Yes, Ed Scott interfering was wrong. Maybe it was right to fire him. But do not give Dena Higley, of all people, a pass on her crappy ass material because her work going unchecked is "persona violation." You can tell Dena was the girl in workshop who tuned out every bit of criticism she ever heard and continued to turn in crap material she thought was brilliant. And how do you give Dena a free pass on her very open scabbing, only declaring financial core after her name was released to the press by cast members? What about those ethics? And how do you defend Dena firing ALL of Hogan's staff writers, to bring on her friends? Staff writers that couuld have contributed plot consistency, story ideas, and beautiful dialogue for a show, considered by many in the press, to be a trashy, classless sinkhole? I don't think that's very ethical either. I am madly in love with this post. :wub2:
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Sindacco
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Dec 31 2008, 02:21 AM
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I don't know Phoenix, had Ed Scott still been on the show I think you would defend him. The same with Hogan Sheffer. But when they're gone it feels like you criticize them more. If Higley and Tomlin would be replaced I think you would criticize those too and defened the new headwriter and EP. Am I right?
No. There is no way I would. I took writing classes in college in hopes of someday being a writer and I would never support what he did, even if he was still with the show. I don't care how bad the writer is viewed. To me, it feels like a persona violation. It's one thing to tweak things but another thing to totally gut material. I would be very upset if he were to stay. I would still praise his work but I wouldn't be happy with the decision of his staying. Ed did wonderful work. It's a shame what happened tarnished that. I still don't bash Hogan Sheffer. I bashed JER during her second run and still do. I have mentioned numerous times when I felt I didn't like something of Higley's. I criticize what I feel like criticizing. I'm different and rare. I've accepted that. I'm used to looking at things differently but I don't have any pattern like you are suggesting. One thing I will point out...it can be natural to criticize them more after they are gone because their reign is over. You can't take a wait and see approach. You can judge their reign as a whole. Not only that but usually after a regime is over, you hear rumors and info about what went on during that regime so that factors in too. Okey, that makes sense. I hope you didn't take my last post as an attack cause it wasn't. Just thought I should ask.
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Dec 31 2008, 02:56 AM
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- Sindacco
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I don't know Phoenix, had Ed Scott still been on the show I think you would defend him. The same with Hogan Sheffer. But when they're gone it feels like you criticize them more. If Higley and Tomlin would be replaced I think you would criticize those too and defened the new headwriter and EP. Am I right?
No. There is no way I would. I took writing classes in college in hopes of someday being a writer and I would never support what he did, even if he was still with the show. I don't care how bad the writer is viewed. To me, it feels like a persona violation. It's one thing to tweak things but another thing to totally gut material. I would be very upset if he were to stay. I would still praise his work but I wouldn't be happy with the decision of his staying. Ed did wonderful work. It's a shame what happened tarnished that. I still don't bash Hogan Sheffer. I bashed JER during her second run and still do. I have mentioned numerous times when I felt I didn't like something of Higley's. I criticize what I feel like criticizing. I'm different and rare. I've accepted that. I'm used to looking at things differently but I don't have any pattern like you are suggesting. One thing I will point out...it can be natural to criticize them more after they are gone because their reign is over. You can't take a wait and see approach. You can judge their reign as a whole. Not only that but usually after a regime is over, you hear rumors and info about what went on during that regime so that factors in too.
Okey, that makes sense. I hope you didn't take my last post as an attack cause it wasn't. Just thought I should ask. Not at all. :smile:
I understand why you asked.
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Dec 31 2008, 06:21 AM
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Proctor & Gamble's PR department publicaly blasted SOAPnet.com for posting a Perez Hilton item that outed a top As The World Turns star. Then P&G took out ads promoting ATWT on Perez's Web site.
OMG, you're kidding!
'scuse me? no wonder Nelson doesn't like PGP anymore! Are we REALLY surprised? PGP is the same machine that tried to convince all of us that a) Marty West was straight and b) That those erotic amateur wrestling vids he did never happened, going as far as to get his photo removed from the wrestling site.
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Dec 31 2008, 07:01 AM
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I took writing classes in college in hopes of someday being a writer and I would never support what he did, even if he was still with the show. I don't care how bad the writer is viewed. To me, it feels like a persona violation. It's one thing to tweak things but another thing to totally gut material. I would be very upset if he were to stay. I would still praise his work but I wouldn't be happy with the decision of his staying. Ed did wonderful work. It's a shame what happened tarnished that.
I am a writer also, having studied the art and gone to many a classes. And I am purely speculating, but one thing a writer should ALWAYS be open to is having his/her work evaluated. I am pretty damn sure Ed Scott told her, "This is too campy" or "We should probably do this." Instead of Dena being more OPEN to Ed's ideas or anyone else's ideas, she pushes herself and her EGO onto others, at the expense of her art. Any writer worth their weight in gold will at least LISTEN to what their peers are telling them. No man is an island. Even the greats, like Henry Slesar, Harding Lemay, Bill Bell, Agnes Nixon, and Doug Marland, had to take criticism and heat from their producers. They didn't cry about it to the press or write in their diaries about "how no one listens to me." They took a much more proactive approach and used some of the producers and viewers criticisms. And I don't care about whether or not we know its true that Dena wasn't receptive to Scott's ideas or suggestions. I KNOW it's true. You can see it on every bit of material she writes that she and she alone goes unchecked by other members of the writing team or the executive producer. Yes, Ed Scott interfering was wrong. Maybe it was right to fire him. But do not give Dena Higley, of all people, a pass on her crappy ass material because her work going unchecked is "persona violation." You can tell Dena was the girl in workshop who tuned out every bit of criticism she ever heard and continued to turn in crap material she thought was brilliant. And how do you give Dena a free pass on her very open scabbing, only declaring financial core after her name was released to the press by cast members? What about those ethics? And how do you defend Dena firing ALL of Hogan's staff writers, to bring on her friends? Staff writers that couuld have contributed plot consistency, story ideas, and beautiful dialogue for a show, considered by many in the press, to be a trashy, classless sinkhole? I don't think that's very ethical either.
I am madly in love with this post. :wub2: I'm madly in love with it too. Perfect!
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Dec 31 2008, 12:30 PM
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When it boils down to it all, the crux of the problem at Days is management and compounding poor decisions with more poor decisions. No one reins in the divas and the runaway faux writers and firing people on a whim before contracts are up, based on what? I would also really like to know how much of this is Sony. You never read much about what Sony does in this whole mess.
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Dec 31 2008, 07:51 PM
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I'm MADLY IN LOVE with this post, so there! Wowza... this is good sh*t! This is intelligent debate, folks!
BTW — I thought this was Logan's best piece all year. Brills.
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Dec 31 2008, 08:40 PM
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Proctor & Gamble's PR department publicaly blasted SOAPnet.com for posting a Perez Hilton item that outed a top As The World Turns star. Then P&G took out ads promoting ATWT on Perez's Web site.
OMG, you're kidding!
'scuse me? no wonder Nelson doesn't like PGP anymore!
Are we REALLY surprised? PGP is the same machine that tried to convince all of us that a) Marty West was straight and b) That those erotic amateur wrestling vids he did never happened, going as far as to get his photo removed from the wrestling site. First off, I knew about A, but I had no clue about B in that statement...they did that, huh??!
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Dec 31 2008, 09:02 PM
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Someone posted either here or on another board that after they grabbed the pic of Marty West from the Erotic Wrestling website, the photo was taken off the website. Then, said poster put the photo on his site and PGP handed him a polite "cease-and-desist" order, begging him to take it down.
PGP needs to relax. If anything, having "Car Handsome" become a news article on Perez garners the show their much needed publicity. And as far as Marty West's video...geez, it's not like he was bent over in chaps in a leather daddy movie. LOL.
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Jan 1 2009, 09:32 AM
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Regarding Ed Scott vs. Dena Higley, since I don't consider Dena Higley a good writer in any form or fashion, I'm not sure I'd have objected to the janitor gutting and rewriting her stories. The show was more vibrant and entertaining when Ed Scott was there. Since he left, it's been close to unwatchable for me. That's all I know.
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Jan 1 2009, 04:50 PM
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Watching Days of our Lives owner Ken Corday systematically destroy his soap, by sticking with his dreadful head writer Dena Higley, axing his dynamic showrunner Ed Scott and dumping his two most popular stars, Deidre Hall, and Drake Hogestyn has been unbearably sad. And, clearly, NBC is too mired in it's own problems to care.
:hail: HALLELUJAH, HALLELUJAH! :hail:
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